RoeDao
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Post by RoeDao on Jan 9, 2005 18:31:53 GMT 11
After removing my sway bar 12 months ago, and having to fight it around corners ever since, i came up with an idea for a quick disconnect for it so i can have some comfort on road and get flex off road. So i thought about it for a while and thought out a design ;D and lo and behold..... it worked!!! ;D ;D heres a few pics.... I cut the sway bar in half to find it was hollow  that presented a problem (i figured it was because it was very light) because i was going to weld the coupling to the sway bar..... so i decided on hardened roll pins which will do the job perfectly  Here are the bits.... took me a couple of hours after work to machine the bushes and weld the arms on....  how it looked assembled for the first time, before it was drilled and pinned  Fitted to the Deo  how it moves when you flex the front  Did a little off-road work today with it disconnected, and it didn't want to move apart at all..... i'm rather happy with how it has worked ;D |
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Post by RoeDao on Jan 9, 2005 18:33:55 GMT 11
whoops i shold have posted this in suspension....... feel free to move it there thanks mods |
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Post by turnturn on Jan 10, 2005 21:42:33 GMT 11
Gidday Roedao,
have you noticed any change in the stiffness (less body roll) of your swaybar after this modification? I thought that it might stiffen it up a bit?
I had been considering making something similar, but using a sliding sleeve and spline type of arrangement, but had been unsure of how much stiffer things would have become up front.
I had thought that the sliding spline/sleeve method could also be engaged/disengaged by cable from within the cab.
A bit firmer up front is not necessarily a bad thing on the road though eh.
cheers,
TurnTurn
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Post by geeves on Jan 11, 2005 11:05:14 GMT 11
quick word of warning Nz rules do not look kindly on spring cutting and sway bars are treated as springs .You wont get a WOF without certification and this mod is unlikely to be certified although it looks to be well thought out etc. A better way in NZ is the way shown on James website or similar where the swaybar is disconected at the ends with a quick release.
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Post by RoeDao on Jan 12, 2005 5:20:07 GMT 11
Gidday Roedao, have you noticed any change in the stiffness (less body roll) of your swaybar after this modification? I thought that it might stiffen it up a bit? I had been considering making something similar, but using a sliding sleeve and spline type of arrangement, but had been unsure of how much stiffer things would have become up front. I had thought that the sliding spline/sleeve method could also be engaged/disengaged by cable from within the cab. A bit firmer up front is not necessarily a bad thing on the road though eh. cheers, TurnTurn It doesn't seem to be any stiffer in the front..... it corners a heap better though. What ever way you do it, it needs to done in a way that it's easy to reconnect. the car only has to be on ground a little uneven and it puts the holes out of alignment. |
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Post by James W on Jan 13, 2005 7:21:30 GMT 11
I've mannaged to get my new website up and running which has an alternative way to making sway bar disconnects. Click on the house icon on the left.
"quick word of warning Nz rules do not look kindly on spring cutting and sway bars are treated as springs .You wont get a WOF without certification and this mod is unlikely to be certified although it looks to be well thought out etc. "
Apparantly the advanatge, at least under NZ rules with the method I used is that there is no welding, no cutting and no change to the vehicles setup. The sway bar performs as stock. Mine was certified without even a mention from the certifier ( I had decleared it).
But I do like RoeDeo's idea all the same, perhaps a spring loaded pin in place of the bolt. It could then self latch when desired to be "sway barred". Drive along and the pin holes will line up.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Jan 13, 2005 15:33:13 GMT 11
Similar to an ozzy design, but they had the option of a hydraulically driven pin to connect/disconnect as well as a manual version.
Dave
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Post by Andrew on Jan 13, 2005 19:37:49 GMT 11
How does the Nissan Patrol disconnect its bar from inside the cab ?
I have heard they can, never looked to see how.. anyone know ?
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Post by nig on Jan 26, 2005 21:01:18 GMT 11
I've mannaged to get my new website up and running which has an alternative way to making sway bar disconnects. Click on the house icon on the left. I knocked up a pair of sway-bar disconnects to your recipe on the weekend - they seem to work a treat, and pretty cheap as well. Have not used them in anger as yet, but after a pretty brisk bash up through the Brinabellas with the pins still in today nothing fell apart so they seem to be stong enough |
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Post by James W on Jan 27, 2005 6:55:56 GMT 11
ALways good to hear it was of use to someone.  With the swaybar disconnected you may notice a slightly less rigid front end, and perhaps even a less firm ride. Certainly it helps articulation on a budget. I can't remember if I metioned that I also upsized the bolts from 8mm orignal to 10mm modified due to the longer length I thought extra strength was desiriable. Sorry my website has gone duff again. It's running on a home PC that was a little noisy, so was shifted out to the garage on a wireless link. It ran fine untill a re-boot and the wireless link hasn't worked since. So if anyone wants the doc re swaybars let me know and can post/e-mail a pdf, and my website will be up again .... sometime  |
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Demonic
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Post by Demonic on Feb 4, 2009 15:39:25 GMT 11
How much "twist" is placed on these during cornering?
thinking bout the r-clip...and its chance to sheer?
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Post by nig on Feb 4, 2009 19:47:55 GMT 11
I've got 4 years and about 120,000 ks on mine now, and had to replace one clip when it got mangled (the bolt turned a bit and it fouled on the shock absorber), but the other side is still running the original. Last time I pulled them out they were looking pretty smooth still, no sign of them wearing.
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Demonic
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Post by Demonic on Feb 4, 2009 20:07:13 GMT 11
So what size was the r-clip? 3 or 4mm? or smaller?
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Post by geeves on Feb 5, 2009 5:55:59 GMT 11
I did mine by a slightly different manner Instead of drilling the bolt I made a heavy sleeve with a slot to slide over the bolt then used an R clip to hold the sleeve in place. Worked fine and no hole to line up. Only problem was at Wof time the mechanic started useing horrible words like certification so the original bars went back on and straight after the Wof the top nut and bushes come off and stay off to next wof No more groveling in the mud reconecting sway bar disconects. You do notice the extra body roll but only when cornering a little quick.
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Demonic
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Post by Demonic on Feb 5, 2009 13:30:45 GMT 11
have you got a pic you could e-mail.? still toying with different things...
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Post by geeves on Feb 5, 2009 15:03:53 GMT 11
pics in the mail as we speak
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Demonic
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Post by Demonic on Feb 5, 2009 20:36:44 GMT 11
Thanks.
It sounds like i want some form of cleve(?) pin. I reckon that would finish it all off nicely
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Post by nig on Feb 5, 2009 21:36:39 GMT 11
So what size was the r-clip? 3 or 4mm? or smaller? Mine are 4mm |
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Demonic
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Post by Demonic on Feb 5, 2009 21:39:49 GMT 11
How long have you been running them? have you looked at the washers and the r-clip? whats the condition?
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Post by nig on Feb 6, 2009 16:07:15 GMT 11
How long have you been running them? have you looked at the washers and the r-clip? whats the condition? Look at post #11  |
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that presented a problem (i figured it was because it was very light) because i was going to weld the coupling to the sway bar..... so i decided on hardened roll pins which will do the job perfectly 
Here are the bits.... took me a couple of hours after work to machine the bushes and weld the arms on....
