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Post by mooman on Sept 22, 2005 18:38:22 GMT 11
Hey all, Just want to know what a good height to raise a mu is for offroad as well as on road with out needing certs?. Is there anyone who has done this recently? Im also after a ball park figure on cost & brand.
Cheers ;D
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Post by geeves on Sept 22, 2005 20:11:26 GMT 11
50mm suspension lift wont raise any eyebrows at the testing station and wont be to hard on cvs etc although a ball joint flip will be needed to fix wheel alignment. Ive used Lovels springs as they were cheapest when I did mine but this might no longer be true. Also it could be worth talking to Archibold springs in Rotorua as they can make springs localy to suit. They also retension springs but this has mixed results
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Post by mulover on Sept 22, 2005 21:28:07 GMT 11
Have a look at www.nz4x4.co.nz They where selling spring kits on trademe for like $550 or $600, 50mm lift, military wrap and nylon incerts between the leafs, have the choice of 5 or 6 leaf heavy duty springs, then its just a matter of doing the front end which costs nothing but time, as geeves said, ball joint flip, i have just lowered my diff 20mm, am yet to see if its worth it but the angles are looking good. Don't wind up the trosion bars that much that the bottom arms don't touch the bump stops when the wheels are fully compressed as you are then loosing travel. good luck and hope some of this helps. John. |
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Post by mulover on Sept 22, 2005 21:38:48 GMT 11
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Post by mooman on Sept 23, 2005 6:44:15 GMT 11
Thanks for your help guys, Had a look on trade me they look like they will do the job. But might still make some calls. As i know nothing about shocks... what is a ball joint flip? & Are the 50mm lift kits easy to put on yourself?
Cheers
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Post by geeves on Sept 23, 2005 8:42:14 GMT 11
std shocks arte long enough for 50mm lift but they are probably 10 years + old so should be changed If you have a couple of jacks and axle stands you should be able to do the rear your self but this depends on your mechanical knowledge Its not hard. Winding front torrsion even easiier.
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Post by mulover on Sept 23, 2005 18:08:30 GMT 11
Ball joint flip is where you swap the top ball joint to the underside of the arm, so you are bolting the joint upto the mount instead of the joint down to the mount, it moves the top of the wheels in a wee bit so helps with the wheel alignment. If and when i get my new springs then i will be remodeling my whole back suspension so stay tuned as i will start a thread about it if anyone is interested!!!
Also you only need to worry about the back shocks, you can cut the front bump stops in half and still have plenty of travel in them, as by lifting the set-up you are only moving the resting points, not changing the travel range.
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Post by geeves on Sept 23, 2005 19:19:14 GMT 11
If you look at a front shock theres 150mm travel but the ark that the shock has to go through is barely a fraction of this
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Post by mulover on Sept 24, 2005 18:15:12 GMT 11
That must be about the only good thing about independant front suspension, a guy down here put in longer shocks all round and is still wondering why he can't come near me on the articulation ramp!!!!
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Post by mooman on Oct 1, 2005 17:30:28 GMT 11
Would adding a spring in the rear do much in the way of lift?
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Post by mulover on Oct 1, 2005 18:10:38 GMT 11
Yes, get it curved a bit more and it will give you a lift, try to get the top leaf off an old pack and cut the eyes of as this will give the rest of the pack more support, i can take a photo of mine if you want. The only problem is this will make your springs harder and flex less.
Speaking of which, you could buy the leafs off me as i'm getting new packs soon.
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Post by mooman on Oct 2, 2005 8:09:37 GMT 11
photo would be good.. With the shocks being harder, will that change the on road handling much? How much do you want for yours? Cheers  |
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Post by mulover on Oct 2, 2005 17:35:27 GMT 11
You mean with the packs being harder??? It didn't make much difference to my truck, but my packs are shagged and bent, the extra leaf made them a bit better, it also depends on what shocks you have, i'm gonna use rancho rs9000 so i can adjust them.
For the 2 leafs i added in, say $50, i won't sell the whole pack, as i may need them for spairs one day. I'll sort out my camera and try to get a photo up tomorrow.
John.
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Post by mooman on Oct 3, 2005 14:21:45 GMT 11
Awesome... will wait for your photos b4 i decide.
Cheers john.
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Post by mulover on Oct 3, 2005 17:38:50 GMT 11
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Post by mooman on Oct 3, 2005 20:37:23 GMT 11
Cheers John, Photos were a great help!!. How much xtra height did you get by adding the spring?. I need around 50mm as I keep getting hung up on the bash plates. I have still got the original factory shocks on, so not sure if i will still get the lift im looking for without having to change them. Think i might need to change the rims too. Im running 30X9.50 R15's (off my nissan ;D).. What do you think about 31"?
Cheers
Tony
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Post by geeves on Oct 4, 2005 6:09:13 GMT 11
On the mu 31 or 32 inch tyres work well but try and stay with 10.5 width.
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Post by mooman on Oct 4, 2005 12:27:54 GMT 11
Cheers for that geeves, Might look at the 32's then. I was told by the boys at ARB to change the shackle to a 70mm longer one to raise the back 50mm. But they werent sure if you could get a shackle to fit off another truck or have to get some made. Can any one shed some light on this??
Cheers
Tony
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Post by geeves on Oct 4, 2005 15:18:30 GMT 11
I have a feeling that Hilux ones fit but if not lots of people make shackles. If you cant get them localy try www.genie4x4.com Personaly I dont like shakle lifts as each inch of extra hight costs you 2 inches clearance in the back. Its better to replace your springs or get them reset although some people have had problems with reset springs. Im useing Lovels springs from Austrailier but you have a good spring maker over the hill in Rotorua that can do a good job at a good price |
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Post by mulover on Oct 4, 2005 15:56:01 GMT 11
If you want that much lift then you will have to either get new springs like me or get your springs reset. I'm not keen on resetting springs as you are still working with old metal even though it gets re-tempered, etc, my new springs are costing me $530, including freght. Don't go for the longer hangers as to get 50mm lift you will have to go 100mm longer hangers which as geeves said, reduces your rear clearance and it stuffs up your suspension travel.
I have 32x11.5 r15 tires and wouldn't have any other size for mud tires, but i have a 3" exhaust plus numerous alterations to give me more power, so the 10.5 size would be better.
The 30" tires are waaaaayyyyyyyy too small, and going to a bigger tire will give you heaps more clearance, and you can fit 32" tires on standard isuzu offset without too much of a hassle, easy if you are doing a 2" lift, i have a 35mm body lift as well though.
The toyota hangers do fit but i wouldn't think they would do a set long enough.
So let us know what your gonna do, in a few weeks, (probably months) i will be redesigning my rear suspension with my new springs so i can show you what i have done.
John.
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