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Post by LAGWAGON on Aug 12, 2005 16:44:43 GMT 11
:)hi guys, im new here so here is my first post.
im going to do the balljoint flip and was wondering if you wind up the torsion bars before you do it or after.
and i know that to adjust them you have to jack the car up off the ground, but how do you axually do it?adjust it that is, and do you need specific tools.
thanks
Dan
btw, i have a 2.8td rodeo 99
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Post by Jimmu on Aug 12, 2005 18:12:01 GMT 11
Hi BigD, Welcome aboard. It does not matter which way you do it as they are independent of each other. The ball joint flip is actually a simple reposition. Once you pull off the wheel you will see how to do it easy enough. The tortion bar wind up is also easier than you might imagine. Steps: 1. Lift the front end off the ground 2. Locate the bolt that twists the tortion bars (Halfway along the side chassis rails between the front and back wheels on each side) 3. Turn the bolt an even number of turns on each side. I turned mine 7 turns each to achieve my lift see: clubisuzu.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=club&action=display&thread=11140561614. I did the ball joint 'flip' to make the \ / a little more like | | ;D 5. Measure the height of both sides and adjust slightly to make even (Mine took about 1/4 of a turn to even out) 6. Get a wheel allignment Hang on here are some excellent articles: www.planetisuzu.com/articles.htm/117www.planetisuzu.com/articles.htm/78Hope that helps  Jimmy. |
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Post by geeves on Aug 12, 2005 18:29:59 GMT 11
When checking the car for leval it pays to disconect the sway bar from one side as it trys to compensate for uneven springs. I did this to mine and had to add 5 turns to one side to get it level unyet it was level with tirsion bar attached. A person in Auckland found this one while trying to track a strange handling problem that only occured turning right
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Post by Harry on Aug 16, 2005 19:20:36 GMT 11
Just a question to those who have done a ball joint flip.What happened to the camber?While chasing a slipping hub problem [runny mud doesn't lubricate hubs,wheel bearings or needle rollers very well] I ended up with the steering knuckles out.Excellent time to do a ball joint flip.When I screwed the torsion bars up I had quite a lot of negative camber[bottom of wheels pointing out.After the ball joint flip the camber has gone the other way and it looks and handles bloody awful.Jimmu's appears to have gone the opposite way.The bad handling may have something to do with the stuffed bush on the top suspension arm but it must have been like that for a while and the handling wasn't that bad.That's off road handling btw.So I'm curious as to what other people's results.
Thanks,Harry.
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Post by darkhunter on Aug 16, 2005 19:28:39 GMT 11
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Post by geeves on Aug 17, 2005 16:47:35 GMT 11
When I lifted my bighorn 30mm and ball joint flip the camber was spot on. Dont know what it was like before It never had a wheel alignment in the 7 years before that. You can ad and remove shims to adjust camber. These are between the mount for the upper arm and the arm itself. It might be that your is still below standard hight although Ive seen your wagon and would be suprised if this was the case. Mine measures 530mm from top of arch to hub center and 880 to the ground with 31 inch tyres.
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Post by mulover on Aug 17, 2005 19:17:29 GMT 11
Its also worth getting a 5 or 6 mm spacer made up as this gives you more drop and pushes the top of the wheel out a little further.
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Post by geeves on Aug 18, 2005 10:16:00 GMT 11
True but remember the angles that this allows the cvs to reach The more angle on the cv the easyer to break.
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Post by mulover on Aug 18, 2005 19:27:00 GMT 11
Yeah, i know this very well, i might have to invest in a new set of bump stops as i cut the old ones in half, getting heaps of travel but doing just as much damage, am going to set up the front again with the diff lowered 20mm and see how it goes.
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Post by Harry on Aug 18, 2005 19:46:16 GMT 11
Thanx,guys.I replaced the top suspension arm today and put some spacers behind the mount.Not so sure now having read that link.I'd cut 10mm off the bottom bump stop as well so now I'm getting worried about my cvs.Will give it a try this weekend.
Regards,Harry.
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Post by geeves on Aug 18, 2005 20:41:23 GMT 11
One other good thing with a ball joint flip is it makes cv replacement very easy and fast. Ive seen a cv changed 30 min from borrowing a highlift to returning it.
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Post by dasnoboarder on Jun 8, 2006 16:18:54 GMT 11
My front tyres are wearing on the outside more than the inside.
Does a ball joint flip make the tyre sit more toward the inside edge, or the outside edge?
If you understand what i mean...
(Looking at the front of the vehicle does the ball joint flip adjust it so the tyre sits more this way / or \ that way?)
Will get a wheel alignment if i do it or not, just wanting to know...
Andy
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Post by geeves on Jun 8, 2006 18:33:20 GMT 11
Thinking about it I belive it increases / \ so would be of help. Standard disclaimer of "this is an educated guess and not checked in practise so you at your risk not mine" applies
Worn ball joints can also cause this as can bad wheel bearings. I seem to remember an earlier post of a funny noise when turning
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Post by dasnoboarder on Jun 8, 2006 18:50:41 GMT 11
Thanks.
Yea, there is a sound kind of like of wet rubber when i turn right at certain speeds.
You think it could be a worn ball joint ay? ....
Is it possible to grease up the ball joint when doing the flip, and see if it changes anything?
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Post by geeves on Jun 8, 2006 20:31:29 GMT 11
when was the last wof done??? Wet rubber sound is more likly to be one of the bushes The ones in the front need to be pressed in so garage job. I did have a upper ball joint make this noise Took a while to hunt down but grease fixed it so worth a try. It failed the second wof after that though so you might only be delaying the end of the offening joint. You should be greasing all the joints every service anyway. Give the suspension a thoughor inspection when you grease it.
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Post by dasnoboarder on Jun 13, 2006 17:28:55 GMT 11
Sorry For Thread Hijack - Didn't think another thread on ball joint flips was needed Last wof was 21/02/06 Having a service in August, should I just ask them to "replace front suspension bushes"? Can anybody tell me the torque settings for the 4 12mm nut & bolts and castle nut? I'll be working from these instructions, planned to do in just over 2 weeks time: www.planetisuzoo.com/articles.htm/78Any last helpful hints? |
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Post by geeves on Jun 13, 2006 19:49:33 GMT 11
Grab a copy of the manuals from the gmail account (gmail.com login as isuzunz password 4jb1turbo) Im a little worryed that you have your car profesionaly serviced but are willing to tackle suspension mods. Be sure to have someone who knows what they are doing on standby. It should be straight forward but there are a few hidden gotyas in there
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Post by dasnoboarder on Jun 13, 2006 19:57:20 GMT 11
Im a little worryed that you have your car profesionaly serviced but are willing to tackle suspension mods.  From the instructions and from what people have told me, a ball joint flip is just taking off a wheel, unbolting 5 bolts & nuts, knocking the shaft out, rebolting everything back on with the control arm on the top and bolts upside down. Wheel alignment. Don't want to be too confident, but sounds quite simple... What type of shop would I ask to do something like this? |
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Post by geeves on Jun 13, 2006 21:58:46 GMT 11
True it isnt hard its just a strange place to start doing your own work. You will need a large ball joint separator or a large hammer and a knack that is impossible to describe on paper. Dont hammer the bolt end of the joint.
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Post by dasnoboarder on Jun 14, 2006 6:39:06 GMT 11
Hmmm....
PlanetIsuzu just says "wail on the spindle, Use the hammer, or a 5lb sledge if you have one to hit the spindle"
I don't know what ball joint seperators or knacks are, and I don't have the money for them...
Is it a good idea to try, with a mechanically minded friends help, and if we get stuck (like with seperating the shaft), just bolt up what we undid, and take it to a shop?
I am trying to download those manuals, but my internet is so crap, the download craps out and says it's finished before its even half way.
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From the instructions and from what people have told me, a ball joint flip is just taking off a wheel, unbolting 5 bolts & nuts, knocking the shaft out, rebolting everything back on with the control arm on the top and bolts upside down. Wheel alignment.