IsuzuMu
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Sufferin' succotash! It's an MU!
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Post by IsuzuMu on Feb 15, 2005 21:59:07 GMT 11
So Justin,
How much longer are the Calmini shackles than the standard MU ones??? How much lift alone would the shackles give the MU?
Cheers. A.
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Post by justin on Feb 16, 2005 9:17:34 GMT 11
The Calmini shackles I had gave an extra 35mm lift on my new springs. They are probably twice the length of the originals. You can see the difference on the Sydney website page: home.exetel.com.au/justshtml/html/CLUBISUZUSITE/Rear_Sus.htmFrom memory they were 2.5" shackles and they do 3" as well. It's certainly a cheap way to lift tired springs and they did me for a year till I replaced them. But it obviously puts greater load on the rear springs as mine started to sag even more as you can see by the first side shot. This was the old springs with the lift shackles. I will be aiming to give my new suspension a test up at Gloucester in a few weeks, as it seemed really good at Seal rocks last week but I only ran for half an hour as my passengers were getting the crap beaten out of them in the back . J
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IsuzuMu
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Sufferin' succotash! It's an MU!
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Post by IsuzuMu on Feb 16, 2005 14:35:47 GMT 11
Crap beaten out of them... if you are talking about the track between Myall lakes and Seal rocks I know what you mean, it's one big pot-hole!
Thanks for the info. Cheers, Adrian.
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PeterSchurms
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Black 95' 3.1 MU Auto in Melbourne
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Post by PeterSchurms on Apr 5, 2005 11:46:54 GMT 11
I am keen to buy some 2.5" lift shackles, before get my springs reset or replaced. Any one want to sell some or recommend a place I can get them at a fair price? Cheers! Pete
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Post by Roger on Apr 8, 2005 19:12:17 GMT 11
G'day Peter, glad you're back. Check out some fourby workshops or 4wd suspension specialists and get advice from different people before you purchase your suspension Anyway, my local independant workshop, 4WD Heaven in Thomastown ph/fax: 9469 2266 are a good bunch. No massive overheads like ARB- incidently 200 metres up the road from them. For HD t/bars and 5 leaf rear springs was around $1000 fitted. Good prices on everything in the shop too (compared to ARB...) cheers
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Post by Jimmu on Apr 11, 2005 18:16:58 GMT 11
After seeing Witchdoctors I have ordered a set of springs through 4wd trekmaster. They are trying to get the new Carols soft ride set in for me as they are a bit softer than the HD's witchdoctor has. The guys there are very reasonable and straight forward. Should be fitting them this weekend along with the Snorkel Jimmy.
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PeterSchurms
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Black 95' 3.1 MU Auto in Melbourne
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Post by PeterSchurms on May 2, 2005 21:48:45 GMT 11
Thanks Roger, its good to be back, Its been a rather intense year so far. I'll give the guys a call. I just want to buy a set of shackles and give the back end a little lift. Cannot afford too much at the moment so new springs is are off the order list for the next couple months, Cheers
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PeterSchurms
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Black 95' 3.1 MU Auto in Melbourne
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Post by PeterSchurms on May 3, 2005 18:00:54 GMT 11
Roger, I spoke to the guys at 4wd Heaven. Steve seems like a good bloke and said to say G'day. I'll be getting some springs and shackles (when he makes them). Quotes a very good price. Cheers to you.
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Post by justin on May 7, 2005 10:58:16 GMT 11
Has anyone or can you insert tapered shims between the rear axel leaf mounts and the leaf springs to help correct the angle between the rear diff & the tail shaft? J (apologies in advance if there some blo*dy obvious reason why not!)
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Post by geeves on May 7, 2005 16:23:40 GMT 11
Only reasons for not doing it are 1 you lose some of your lift but probably not enought to worry about. 2 Changing the diff angle will alter the fill leval for the oil ie less oil and also lpinion bearing will be higher so might not get oil Unless you are looking at huge angles probably not a problem though. They do this quite regularly on Nissan patrols but ive never heard of it on Mus You are heading into uncharted territory. I belive that if the angles on the universals are differant you can get vibrations so you might need to lower the rear of the gearbox as well. How much above stock is your truck
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Post by justin on May 7, 2005 17:58:12 GMT 11
The truck is fine at the moment but that's cause I took the Ext. shackles off when I replaced the springs. If I leave them on I get another 30mm and a tailshaft vibration, and I was wondering if I could correct it. I would have thought that the oil volume being the same when the dif is spinning wouldn't cause a problem, it would only be when refilling, because you'd loose a few mm's height on the filler plug? There is the other problem of will the T/Bars take being cranked up again too. I flipped the Ball joints but I know it won't take much to crank it out of possible wheel alignment. The lift would be worthy though: home.exetel.com.au/justshtml/html/CLUBISUZUSITE/Install_Leafspring.html
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Post by geeves on May 8, 2005 18:13:30 GMT 11
With the front you can put spacers under the ball joints Look at the Calmini or Darlington web site for what they look like then make your own for less than the cost of freight. The real killer up front with extreme lifts is the CV angles The more angle the more CVs you break You can lower the diff a little bit but once again this is fairly uncharted teritory. You might have to copy Yarno and fit live Hilux diffs front and back You might even go the next step and fit the live front on coils at the front but this is a lot of work
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Post by francesco on May 10, 2005 11:48:29 GMT 11
Well I called Greg today from Trekmaster and he tells me that he finally got those comfort ride springs in but THEY ARE NOT SUITABLE for the MU, apparently they have a wierd setup. After Calling Lovells, the company who made the set which Justin has on his little beast, and they informed me that the Brisbane Distributor for them is ......guess who?......of course its also Trekmaster. So I called Greg back up and asked him to get the pricing. He said there there usually really expensive so he diddnt bother checking with them ....so we can wait and see, and compare his with the prices Justin was given. The other option of course is getting the Carols setup like what David got, giving the 3" lift (please correct me if im wrong) but as most of the time the back of my MU is empty and I dont have a tow bar, I think it will be a problem. Greg did suggest removing a Leaf ? So thats where its at . James, Have you already sourced something else? Francesco
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Post by justin on May 10, 2005 12:05:42 GMT 11
Franc if they come out with a stupid price let me know and I'll talk with the lovells guy I spoke with and you can by them through Warringah Brakes NSW and get Lovells to send them direct to you. Lovells just need an agent for you to buy them through. J
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Post by francesco on May 10, 2005 12:18:26 GMT 11
Lovells (via Warringah Brakes as they don't sell direct anymore), have just priced the following set up at $474. 2 x HR-15 H/D Rodeo Springs 4 x UBL-18 Ubolts 2 x N710021 Rear Bushes 1 x N71506 Front bush kit. I don't feel I need to look further on that one, I will order them today. J Thx Justin..... So was it $474 for all the above plus $100 for the greesable shackles.....Making it total of $574 ? Hey Justin if possible, could you put the itemised breakdown please For the Carols set up its this: Leaf Springs - Holden Rodeo $232 Poly Bush kit - toyota hilux $ 29 U bolt kit - to be made up $ 32 Greesable Shackles $32 Total $325 + $32.50 GST (HOWARD ) Total $357.50 Francesco ;D
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Post by justin on May 10, 2005 13:08:58 GMT 11
I think the springs were $350, and the rest was the other bits, but I'll check the receipt tonight and see if it was itemised. J
Also my lift went from 880mm to 970mm when I added my springs initially, then I lowered it by removing the Ext. shackles. So at 90mm that's a 3.5" lift. J
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Post by Witchdoctor on May 10, 2005 16:46:31 GMT 11
I payed $357.00 for my set up ;D
Dave
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Post by justin on May 10, 2005 19:04:52 GMT 11
Franc,
2 x HR-15 H/D Rodeo Springs $350 4 x UBL-18 Ubolts $52.00 2 x N710021 Rear Bushes $36.00 1 x N71506 Front bush kit. $36.00
All prices ex GST
J
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Post by francesco on May 10, 2005 19:09:04 GMT 11
thats great THX Justin....
Can I confirm with you.......it was then an extra $100 for the greesable shackles? And you got them also from Lovells?
Could I use my existing ones? Are they different lengths to standand?
;D
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HiMuZuLux
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IFS: A great reason to own a 9" angle grinder :)
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Post by HiMuZuLux on May 10, 2005 20:14:50 GMT 11
Just a couple of things... has anyone tried doing something like the XD falcon rear spring swap the Hilux boys do? (I run them on my d-cab with incredible results) They are loooong and flexy, and yet those falcon utes and wagons are built to take a decent load. On the 'Lux they make for an incredibly soft ride and flex like nothing else (take a look at some of the photos of Goldilux on my site - http://www.4wdstuff.co.nz) I haven't done any measurements yet on mine, but if they are looking like they are going to fit then I will happily be the guinea pig here - and the big bonus... they are around $50 a pair from the wreckers and have already sagged all they are likely to since they are around 20 years old already. Of course this means cutting and welding and cert (here in NZ anyway) which may make a few people shy away, but I figure if you want the truck to go a little bit better then sometimes you have to try new things Second thing is the greasable shackles... from memory they are very similar sizing to the Hilux rear ones. Repco sell them under the MaxiTrac brand for sod-all... around $40 a pair from memory... My 2c Steve
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