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Post by justin on May 10, 2005 20:38:02 GMT 11
It was but you can use the existing ones, (I'd turffed mine), or get a cheaper set somewhere.. Repco.
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Post by Jimmu on May 10, 2005 21:00:54 GMT 11
Frank,
I have not sourced any others at this stage. I was waiting for the soft rides from Trekmaster too.
I wonder what makes them unsuitable???
I agree that the HD's may be too rigid for our non-trailer towing use. Though they probably make a normal duty spring that may suffice.
Superior engineering is putting a quote together for me for their reccomendation of setup.
On a side note they told me gas shockies are not the best to combo with springs. Makes the ride harsh. They recomended oil shocks. Has anyone here heard anything similar?
I am not sure the lovels springs will be much lighter than the ones Dave has as they are both heavy duty.
All I know for sure is my suspension is Farked and needs to be fixed sooner rather than later.
Let me know what you dig up. If we buy the kits together we may save some $$$
Jimmy.
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Post by francesco on May 10, 2005 21:14:06 GMT 11
Yep...mine are totally gone...I'm getting very unhealthy sounds from the back, sounds like a continious high pitched FART I think I will go for the Lovells....as just is happy with the ride he gets....and probably mix the springs with the components that Greg sells with the Carols springs set (like davids) this should reduce the price if it can be done....unless its not recommended? I called pedders...they have actual listings for isuzu Mu....but there prices where relickilous Shall wait and see tomorrow when I ring Greg......I have discovered 1 thing with Greg....he is a bit slack....you have to continiously chase him up ;D I called him this morning about prices, he said he speaks to lovells everyday and will call me back......I called him at 5pm.....he said he will get onto it and to call him back tomorrow ? Anyway
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Post by francesco on May 10, 2005 21:17:58 GMT 11
OH Ya.....also
I have discovered that what a shop says is there recommendation for set up is based purly on what they are able to get there greesy hands onto to sell to you.......
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Post by Jimmu on May 10, 2005 22:34:22 GMT 11
True enough.
Anything is better than what I have.
Let me know the price of the lovels stuff when you find out.
Jimmy.
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Post by justin on May 10, 2005 22:40:31 GMT 11
To be honest I prefer the heavy duty springs to the softer ones. Off road you get less wallow as the body weight shifts when dropping the wheels into gullys. And on road the handling round bends if far superior. I had some knob drive up behind me in a new 4wd Terrecan the other night just before a big sweeping right hand bend. So I dropped off the overdrive and floored it round the bend, and looked in the mirror to see the sudden change of head light angle behind me as he's hit the anchors to prevent him rolling the 4bie.. The Ranchos are excellent to but I prefer firmer suspension from owning a lot of sports cars previously. J
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Post by francesco on May 11, 2005 11:20:57 GMT 11
Ok...this is the deal.
Lovell HR-15 Rodeo spring for same price as Justins $350 +
Then I am going to use the other components from the carols set up. Greg says they all come from same factory. So all up for everything including the Hilux shackles will be $ 487 including Howards GST.
Greg says that these are a lighter spring than the Carols and are a good suit for the MU. Also avoids removing a leaf from the carols set etc....
Greg wont do any better in price if we get two sets, he said the frieght cost is problem.
So I have ordered mine because I want to try and get them on by the weekend. So if you also want to go this option James just let me know.
Hey Justin, how much lift do you think I will get from the Lovells after also tweeking Torsion bars and possible joint flip?
Francesco
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Black 95' 3.1 MU Auto in Melbourne
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Post by PeterSchurms on May 11, 2005 12:23:43 GMT 11
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Post by justin on May 11, 2005 22:17:32 GMT 11
As I said I got 90mm from a straight swap at the rear and mine is sitting at 940mm with the new springs and normal shackles. The gain is obviously dependant on how stuffed the originals are. I flipped the Ball joints so as to aid alignment and tweaked the T/bars up to 930mm at the front. These are the before and after photos:
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Post by francesco on May 12, 2005 11:03:41 GMT 11
Hey Justin....does your larger tyres and rims have any part in these figures? because thats about 3.5"inches.
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Post by justin on May 12, 2005 11:27:53 GMT 11
Well logically the tyres and rims play a part in the overall height from the ground, (the outside tire diameter being around 32.5"), but seeing as they were on before the suspension change then the difference of 90 mm would come purely from the height measured from the old stuffed springs deducted from the new height created by the new springs. That would mean the suspension change increased the overall height from the ground by 90mm, at the rear. Also I actually made a mistake with the pics, because the after photo I used was when I had removed the Ext. shackles and dropped it 30mm. I have used the correct picture now and the true height increase can now be seen with just the spring change. J
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Post by francesco on May 12, 2005 13:03:54 GMT 11
;D
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Post by Jimmu on May 12, 2005 17:05:58 GMT 11
Franc,
I am keen to do it as well ASAP.
Maybe we can get together and change them at the same time.
I will phone trekmaster now and order them.
Jimmy.
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Post by Jimmu on May 12, 2005 17:09:38 GMT 11
Luckily Greg ordered two sets already.
So I am getting them and some new shocks as well.
I have Pmed you my Mobile to hook up a time if you are keen.
Jimmy.
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Post by Jimmu on May 15, 2005 19:24:01 GMT 11
She is all fitted up.
Lovels springs and Greasable shackles from Trekmaster. Who by the way is offering Club Isuzu members trade prices for suspension.
She now sits at least 2.5" Maybe 3". Definately more than the 2" expected.
There is some vibration from the tailshaft when braking from high spead. So I am guessing that she is on the limit if possible lift. Hopefully it will sag a bit over the coming week or so and that issue will sort itself out. Otherwise I will be needing some smaller shackles on the beast or some sand bags in the back end.
I wound up the tortion bars also and did the ball joint 'flip' which is really a re-position rather than a flip but anyway... I am still playin around with the settings but she is sitting about 1.5" higher on the front now too.
7 turns on the bolt. (how many other people done?)
Definately has some \ / action going on. So I may need to put a spacer between the ball joint and the A arm before I get the wheels aligned.
She is _alot_ stiffer than before.
New EFS 'elite' shocks all around. Aparently they are the same unit as XGS just with a different name.
Looks a beast now.
Will post some pictures in a few days.
Just got to make some time to get her sorted properly before LCMP...
Jimmy.
P.S. Fanc, are yours on yet?
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Post by francesco on May 17, 2005 15:16:55 GMT 11
Hi James, yep mine went on Last Friday, and the ball joint flip. I just got a guy near where I work to put them on.... I am very happy with the results.....and the handing is excellent....and with the rancho adjustable shocks is great ...I just set them on the hardest setting for driving around brisvagas and its like a tall sports car.... Can you believe I am yet to take my new Mu off Road
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Post by maletimaru on Jul 25, 2005 14:34:44 GMT 11
What can i do with my standard springs (leafs in rear) to get more height? And what do I do with the torsion bars (standard ones) to get more height at front?
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Post by justin on Jul 25, 2005 16:20:25 GMT 11
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Post by Jimmu on Jul 25, 2005 16:29:02 GMT 11
To be honest if I had to do it again I would just throw on some lift shackles to the rear springs and get a couple more inches. They are cheap and easy to fit.
While the heavy duty springs are great while loaded up. When empty they are a little rough on the tail bone.
The tortion bars are easy. Lift the front end off the ground. Find the bolt head located along the chassis half way between the front and back wheels and turn. This increases the tention on the tortion bars and lifts the front end. I spun mine 7 times each side.
Then check for height. Mine have since sagged a small amount and are now about 4mm different in height, so some minor adjustments might be in order.
Jimmu.
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Post by geeves on Jul 25, 2005 16:37:40 GMT 11
2 options that work with the rear springs are a shackle extension This is a longer rear shackle but each inch of gain = 2 inches longer shackle also not sure on wof issues. You can also get the springs reset and maybe include add a leaf but this can cause a very stiff ride also long teerm results with resetting springs is variable with some lasting 6 years or more some only 6 months. If you go this way Chamberlin springs in Chch has agood reputation. Best bet is replace the springs I replaced mine with springs made by Lovels in Austrialia for roughly double the cost of a spring reset These use 5 thin leaves instead of the normal 3 and ride is nicer and less bouncy load carrying is better and far better articulation off road. Standard shocks are ok up to a 50mm lift from standard. Front is easy to say just wind up the torsion bars but its not quite that simple in that it affects wheel alignment. Up to 30mm wont cause majors but beyond this the camber becomes a problem which can be fixed with a ball joint flip Also cv joints start becoming frajile due to the bigger angles. I saw a cv replaced on the weekend in a Mu in 30 min from when he asked to borrow my highlift to when he gave it back Its the 3rd cv this year so hes had lots of practice.
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