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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 2, 2004 16:59:21 GMT 11
My turbo has just died 3.1 TD MU. I have been quoted 2k aud to fit new turbo & boost gauge. Is it worth searching for a 2nd hand turbo ? I have been told the 2.8 & 3.1 are totally different. Can anyone point me in the right direction or offer any alternatives.
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Cheers
Matt
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Post by Graham on Dec 3, 2004 0:25:45 GMT 11
I'm pretty sure someone has put a 2.8 engine's turbo onto their 3.1. It runs out of puff a little sooner but still worked, plus they gained the benefit of the 2.8 turbo being serviceable and if they wanted to install an intercooler, they could rotate the turbo housing to allow for the intake piping.
I bought a boost gauge from ebay for $50 and installed it myself without a problem, so this shouldn't be a big impact in your price.
Good luck! Graham.
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Post by justin on Dec 3, 2004 8:48:16 GMT 11
As Graham said they are different, the 2.8 is spec'd for a slightly lower output than the 3.1. But saying that Matt in Perth runs a 2.8 turbo on a 3.1 motor with an intercooler and she seems to go fine. The new IHI replacements for the 3.1 are servicable and cost around $1100 AUD. If you are going second hand I'd opt for a 2.8, (normally around the $4-500) and get it serviced as a second hand 3.1 original is supposedly not servicable so you could wind up with the same issue. It takes about 4 hours to fit so I guess you'd be looking at $1400-1600 at $50 an hour. Have a shop around I got new one from Auckland NZ for $1000 all up, I just got a mate to bring it back on trip over. J
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Rodeo Now!
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Post by MattMU on Dec 3, 2004 14:20:34 GMT 11
Yep as Justin said, the 2.8 is an identical swap physically. The specs say its a slightly lower top end output, but this gives more boost down low and alot quicker.
Yeah its serviceable and after about 200000 (hard)km still spins well and my MU still goes like a cut cat!
If I had the cash and needed a newie I do the newer IHI one that Justin bought but if you just want to get on the road again, no probs with a 2.8 turbo.
Goodluck
Matt.
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 3, 2004 17:38:46 GMT 11
Well I've decided im going with the new one . Got it ordered in today and fitting on monday with gauge howerver its not the newer servicable one - cant seem to find anyone in brisbane that knows about them. How many km's am I likely get from this new one ? Cheers Matt  |
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Post by Bruce on Dec 3, 2004 17:52:36 GMT 11
Hi Bullfrog, Try MTQ Engine Systems in Toowoomba ph no 4633 1355 ask for Robert MacKay (old school mate of mine " Bruce Bates" thats me) the guys in Rocky have told me that the replacement turbo is a re- fixable one. If you can quote the old ones model no it will help, sorry I dont have a proper IHI turbo on my 3.1 I was taken to the cleaners by a mob in Mackay cost me $1600 for a re-built turbo, wish I could afford to buy a new one.
Hope this info is of some help.
Cheers Bruce.
P.S. If your talking to Robert mention Barcaldine, that where we went to school.
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 3, 2004 18:10:10 GMT 11
thanks bruce if your still around jump in the chatroom!
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Post by justin on Dec 4, 2004 6:43:50 GMT 11
Matt, the model number on my unit is IHI RHF5
Part number 8971673342. This is the new servicable replacement for the RHF5 VIAO 3.1 turbo. J
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 4, 2004 7:31:32 GMT 11
i've already ordered the standard one  is there anything wrong with this unit apart from not being servicable ? Cheers Matt |
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Post by justin on Dec 4, 2004 9:04:16 GMT 11
I wouldn't think so, and it may be the same unit as I did a bit of research into this and not a lot of peole know what there talking about. Fortunately Diesel & Turbo in Auckland did. But I wouldn't loose sleep over it as long as you use a good oil and change it frequently it'll last. J
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 4, 2004 9:52:05 GMT 11
cheers justin. BTW what oil do you recommend ? I change it every 5000 k's and am using 4wd penzoil.
Cheers
Matt
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 12, 2004 8:29:33 GMT 11
I've been told a million different things about the 3.1 turbo. Does anyone know why its not a servicable unit ? Can it be serviced at all ?
Cheers
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Post by PeterSchurms on Dec 12, 2004 17:50:50 GMT 11
I have been down this path... the answer is no. The 3.1 turbo cannot be pulled apart and repaired or serviced. I was told otherwise but ended it in tears, I had to buy a new one. The reason was due to the type of bearings within it. There are ceramic caged ball bearings from memory, the ceramic cage is damaged when the unit is pulled apart and cannot be reinstalled.
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 13, 2004 16:27:12 GMT 11
Does anyone know where in brisbane I could find a new 3.1 turbo or even a second hand one - have tried all import wreckers but nothing. If anyone has anything let me know as I am still waiting delivery of a new 3.1 turbo & am now sick of waiting!
Cheers
Matt
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Post by Bruce on Dec 13, 2004 17:35:31 GMT 11
Give the guys a call at MTQ in Toowoomba and quote the no Justin put on this thread, the phone no is back on the thread. If you have any more trouble let me know and I'll have a talk to them,
Bruce
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 13, 2004 17:57:42 GMT 11
bruce - if you can have a word to your friend there - i'd really like to know definatly what the go is as I get told about 4 different things each day now from various ppl. Not to mention it kinda sucks driving your girlfriends proton to work each day ;-)
Cheers
Matt
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 19, 2004 11:37:25 GMT 11
Well its all done - new turbos in and she goes good now - just shy of 1800 all up. As far as snorkels go can anyone recommend someone in Brissy to fit one ?
Cheers
Matt
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Post by caffa on Dec 22, 2004 4:34:58 GMT 11
Great to hear you're back up and running. Sorry to hear you had to drive the Proton to work but it coulda been worse ..... I guess ...... maybe ...... hmmmm ...... anyways, you're back up and running, thats the main thing .....  I recommend Witchdoctor, apparenltly he only went ½ nuts installing his, he needs to install another one to do the job properly ... ;D Sorry Dave, I couldnt help it  ... LOL |
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Post by bullfrog80 on Dec 22, 2004 8:50:34 GMT 11
hehe .. well yes its good to have her back runs at 12psi now. As far as someone installing this for me .. Witchdoctor what do you say if i purchase could you install for me ? and what price cheers Matt |
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Post by justin on Dec 22, 2004 9:02:54 GMT 11
Sorry Matt just saw your post regarding the oil, I use Valvoline super lite diesel. It was recommended to me by a guy who runs cummings turbocharged semi's and he swears by it. I've used it in my 2.8 & 3.1 for the last 2+ years and never had a problem and its $35 for 10 litres. I looked at the fully synthetic option but from what the experts tell me if you can't guarantee it’s been used in the engine since day 1, then don't use it.  J P.S It took me 4 hours to fit my turbo and I'd rather have a conversation with my ex wife than do another for fun ;D |
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is there anything wrong with this unit apart from not being servicable ?
... LOL
J